Trade Regulations - Discussion

Post here! Let's try and keep this looking to the future and not Jeffs past.

My question is: WHY DEAL REVIS TO THE COWBOYS. I wish the Bills or some young gun team (Raiders) would have gotten him.

It's so disappointing that when someone gets a 95-rated player they think: COWBOYS! MUST TRADE TO COWBOYS.

It's really retarded, isn't it?

Look, Jeff is merely profiting from the bad moves of others. If you put even a little thought into your trades, this kind of thing won't happen.

Someone draft a Trade Manifesto, stat.

toddzuniga wrote:My question is: WHY DEAL REVIS TO THE COWBOYS. I wish the Bills or some young gun team (Raiders) would have gotten him.

It's so disappointing that when someone gets a 95-rated player they think: COWBOYS! MUST TRADE TO COWBOYS.

It's really retarded, isn't it?

This, I understand.

Thing is, the rich get richer, because they have the money to spend. I'm not one to talk anymore, but when you have multiple holes to fill on a team, a few 80's players ARE worth that elite player. That's the hit you take at a position, it's just how it works.

I never have time to draft this manifesto, but someone needs to.

What's a 95-rated player worth?
We need a chart like they make for the NFL Draft.

Mike: the thing is, ASK for another player. If you have Revis, you can get three 85-rated players for him, or you're a fucktard.

Ok let me start off by saying that regulations shouldn't be in place to prevent a person from making a "dumb" trade.

That said, I think trading would be evened out if teams that were picking up a highly regarded player also had to eat the remainder of their cap with the previous team as well as the cap they would get with the new team. It would force the tradee to have to give up something in order to make the cap space.

Also that said, I have a feeling something like that already happens, so I'll shut my yams.

Jason
The New York Tenderloins

TRADE MANIFESTO

1. KNOW YOUR STARS: Which players comprise the heart and soul of your team? Which players are the glue who hold it all together? Now that you've identified these players, don't trade them unless you're planning on blowing up your team. Or you're getting someone truly elite in return (e.g. DRC for AP)

2. PRIORITIZE YOUR POSITIONS: Any team that I run will have at least one great QB, one great wideout, one great cover corner, and one great middle linebacker. With those pieces in place, everything else is gravy. Identity what pieces you need, and do your utmost to fill them. Think long term rather than short term, even if it's the final season of a league.

When I traded Champ Bailey (aging, 94-OVR) I got: a #1 draft pick that turned into DT standout D'Ambro Buie (at the time a rookie, now a 89 OVR), All-Pro FB Leonard Weaver (91 OVR) and CB replacement Ellis Hobbs (83).

I think we have way to many trades anyway. Personally I think the "Diet of Eight"(not implemented yet) should review trades with a majority vote deciding and the SC breaking ties. Also this vote would be public so people can see what is going on and trade accordingly. Dumb trades should not be vetoed but egregious ones should.

That's a VERY fine line, Huhnerficker. And right now, egregious trades would be overturned.

Huhnerficker wrote:I think we have way to many trades anyway. Personally I think the "Diet of Eight"(not implemented yet) should review trades with a majority vote deciding and the SC breaking ties. Also this vote would be public so people can see what is going on and trade accordingly. Dumb trades should not be vetoed but egregious ones should.

Yeah, no. There's no way the SC can look at it objectively. What if what you perceive to be a "dumb trade" involves a division rival?

Also, Todd, you got good pieces, but your secondary sucks now. Suuuuuuuucks. What is it with people trading top cover corners to my division rivals?

toddzuniga wrote:Mike: the thing is, ASK for another player. If you have Revis, you can get three 85-rated players for him, or you're a fucktard.

I don't disagree. I had to haggle in my trade to get Wilson.

I don't agree with the notion that overall ratings are straight-forward values of players. Create a player in Madden 11, and you'll see that particular ratings impact the overall rating for a given position. But not all ratings are "important" for a given player in a given team.

Look at my superstar HB Bones: 69 overall (now 70) and had the particular ratings I wanted for speed, acceleration, and trucking. He had over 1,400 yards rushing last season. I don't value him at 70 overall, and I certainly wouldn't trade him that way.

That certain kind of fluidity is natural in a trading environment. So a 99 OVR CB in Revis, as epic as that is, is different for every person and team.

Also, how does this shit always happen when Ford isn't around? He always seems to come back to the league melting. I need his often level-headed opinions on this.

And speaking of objectivity, Kat, I should re-clarify: I did not know this was happening when I traded with Jeff. I didn't know that my players were part of an even bigger trade.

Does my inclusion in this trade throw my opinions into question? I don't think so, but I understand if others do.

As of now, how this trade happened is OKAY.

mikesuszek wrote:And speaking of objectivity, Kat, I should re-clarify: I did not know this was happening when I traded with Jeff. I didn't know that my players were part of an even bigger trade.

No. I'm saying that if the Vikings traded Revis to, say, AC's Titans, for nothing, you would be pissed. Pissed. And there would be no way to be be objective about it.

Let me be clear: I'm not pissed about the trade overall. I'm pissed that Kevin sent Revis to my division rivals for a couple mid-range o-line guys. That's why I'm pissed.

Also, was the overall trade shown by Jeff to all traded partners involved? Because that should be a rule in a trade like this. I know I showed Jason & Mike my proposed three way trade with the AP extravaganza. Anyone who doesn't want to show the whole trade has something to hide.

Katbot wrote: Yeah, no. There's no way the SC can look at it objectively. What if what you perceive to be a "dumb trade" involves a division rival?

That is why other people (eight) look at it. Division Rival or not I can be fair. I don't think it is saying much for our members to say everyone is an asshole only looking out for themselves.

Or how about this. A Supreme Court justice Potter Stewart once said,"hard-core pornography was hard to define, but that I know it when I see it"

You can't tell me a majority of eight people can't follow that principle? Even then we have the depleted SC to make a final call. I think it works.

The only one who really made out poorly in this trade is the Vikings. This is by no means the worst trade that the league has seen.

It is, however, another 1-sided trade that the Cowboys have been involved in.

The big downfall here, was Kevin not posting a "Revis Island Trade Block" e-mail, because he could have gotten so much more.

I personally would have offered Jared Allen & another player or two.

He did put Revis in a trade block email weeks ago. I know because I kept pestering him offers since week 1.

Katbot wrote:Look, Jeff is merely profiting from the bad moves of others. If you put even a little thought into your trades, this kind of thing won't happen.

Someone draft a Trade Manifesto, stat.

THIS.

When I started trying to improve my team I mugged myself on a number of trades, letting great players go for less - but I believe that was my fault.



ALSO..



If people are afraid of owners having all the best players, then DONT INCREASE THE CAP. In fact we should be reducing it.

The net result of this bat shit crazy trade that went down wouldnt have happened if the receiving teams didnt have cap space.

I agree on the cap, Dan. But I'm repeatedly overruled on this front. But the reason I'm probably overruled is because it's only Solomon who's the abuser. So...

It seems like a lot of these trades were made with players people didn't actually have on their team at the time unbeknownst to the one taking the offer.

I'd like to think that full knowing what some of the people were giving/receiving in this deal, some of them could have come up with a better trade for just a normal two team trade.

b1ooper wrote:It seems like a lot of these trades were made with players people didn't actually have on their team at the time unbeknownst to the one taking the offer.

I'd like to think that full knowing what some of the people were giving/receiving in this deal, some of them could have come up with a better trade for just a normal two team trade.

Hence, had I known what was happening, I could have gotten Revis instead. I think everyone feels that way.

The fact is, I don't care that Revis was on the block at one point in time. Kevin could have done himself a favor, like everyone should, and shopped Revis around, or re-announced it. The league isn't going to remember that Revis is on the block. And not everyone has the time to make trades like this, which almost feels unfair (not that it is).

This is similar to Ray Rice-gate. Dr. Ken did himself a disservice by taking the first pick coming his way for Rice, instead of shopping around more. Kevin did shop around, denied other, possibly better trade offers, and then waited for everyone to forget before agreeing to a trade with Jeff. In Jeff's case, he knew he needed two o-lineman to make the trade happen, so he pulled from other teams to do it, making deals as he went.

My only correction is that I shopped Rice even prior to making the infamous offer - it was quiet and lost in the noise of the regular season clutter but I certainly made him available. But that is the past...

Jeff gets trades done because he does trades. You CAN say no to him but he is one of the few people that will say yes.

Katbot wrote:Also, was the overall trade shown by Jeff to all traded partners involved? Because that should be a rule in a trade like this. I know I showed Jason & Mike my proposed three way trade with the AP extravaganza. Anyone who doesn't want to show the whole trade has something to hide.

Nothing was hidden. It was not a 3 way trade. (or however many). Every player went through me. I just announced them all simultaneously.

Look at who I gave the Texans. All players from me.